In today's podcast, we hear that German authorities say they see nothing bad up with Kaspersky software, but they're in the Western minority on this one. ISIS messaging looks as if it's shifting toward a hegira narrative. Hyatt discloses a significant credit card breach. Equifax and its competitor TransUnion both remove third-party malvertizing code from their websites. Malek Ben Salem from Accenture Labs with a new vulnerability in software defined networks. Guest is Jeff Schilling, CSO of Armor Cloud Security with insights on Russian state actors. And the dark web is in many ways a lot like the regular web, down to seasonal sales, customer reviews, and cat pictures.