CISO Perspectives (Pro)

CISO Perspectives (Pro)

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CISO Perspectives explores the evolving landscape of cybersecurity leadership, talent, and risk—because success in cybersecurity is about people, not just technology. Hosted by Kim Jones, veteran CISO and educator, this podcast challenges conventional thinking on leadership, talent pipelines, and the disconnects holding the profession back. Join Kim for candid discussions with industry leaders, and insights that help you build a stronger, more resilient cyber ecosystem.
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Ep 133 | 5.20.25

Do certifications matter?

As the cybersecurity industry has grown, the field has struggled to answer the question: do certifications matter? In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host ⁠Kim Jones⁠ sits down with N2K's own, ⁠Simone Petrella, to answer this question and discuss why the value of certifications continue to be debated. Throughout the conversation, Simone and Kim will discuss the challenges associated with certifications, and how the industry can adjust the ways it sees and utilizes them.

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Ep 132 | 5.13.25

Does diversity matter in cyber?

As cybersecurity matures, one area still lags: diversity. In this thought-provoking episode of CISO Perspectives, host Kim Jones takes the mic solo to address a topic that remains both critical and controversial. Kim explores the current state of diversity in the cybersecurity field, why progress has been slow, and how inclusive teams drive greater innovation and resilience. Tune in for an honest conversation that challenges the status quo and pushes the industry forward.

Ep 131 | 5.6.25

What’s the “correct” path for entering cyber?

As cybersecurity continues to grow, many have asked and debated about what is the "correct" way to enter the field. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host Kim Jones sits down with Will Markow, the Founder and CEO of FourOne Insights, to discuss these pathways and look at how data can help determine the best entryway. Throughout the conversation, Will and Kim will discuss the various routes that people use to enter the field, which routes result in the greatest levels of success, and how data can validate some of these beliefs.

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Ep 130 | 4.29.25

How do you gain “experience” in cyber without a job in cyber?

While the cybersecurity industry has expanded and grown in recent years, newcomers still struggle to gain relevant "experience" before officially beginning their cyber careers. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host ⁠Kim Jones⁠ sits down with ⁠Kathleen Smith⁠, the Chief Outreach Officer at ⁠clearedjobs.net⁠ and the co-host of ⁠Security Cleared Jobs⁠: Who’s Hiring & How, to discuss this dilemma and what new entrants can do to account for these difficulties. Throughout the conversation, Kathleen and Kim will discuss the challenges associated with entry-level cyber positions, how to gain meaningful experience, and how the industry as a whole contributes to this problem.

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Ep 129 | 4.22.25

Are we a trade or a profession?

Cybersecurity has an identity problem where the industry as a whole is struggling to determine whether it is a trade or a profession. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host Kim Jones sits down with Larry Whiteside Jr., the Chief Advisory Officer for The CISO Society, to discuss this identity crisis and how the industry as a whole connects to both of these labels. Throughout the conversation, Larry and Kim will discuss the merits and drawbacks of both labels and how cybersecurity does not solely fall into one category or the other.

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Kim Jones
Kim Jones is an intelligence, security, and risk management expert with nearly 40 years of experience in information security strategy, governance and compliance, and security operations. He has built, operated, and led security programs across industries, and is the principal architect of one of Arizona State University's cybersecurity education programs. Kim also teaches in SANS' leadership curriculum and UC Berkeley's MICS program. He holds a B.S. in Computer Science from West Point, an M.S. in Information Assurance from Norwich University, and CISM and CISSP certifications.
Schedule: Tuesdays (in season)
Creator: N2K CyberWire
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