The BlueHat Podcast

The BlueHat Podcast

Since 2005, BlueHat has been where the security research community, and Microsoft, come together as peers; to debate, discuss, share, challenge, celebrate and learn. On The BlueHat Podcast, Microsoft and MSRC's Nic Fillingham and Wendy Zenone will host conversations with researchers and industry leaders, both inside and outside of Microsoft, working to secure the planet's technology and create a safer world for all.

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Ep 46 | 2.5.25

Automating Dynamic Application Security Testing at Scale

In this episode of The BlueHat Podcast, hosts Nic Fillingham and Wendy Zenone are joined by Jason Geffner, Principal Security Architect at Microsoft, to discuss his groundbreaking work on scaling and automating Dynamic Application Security Testing (DAST). Following on from his BlueHat 2024 session, and outlined in this MSRC blog post, Jason explains the key differences between DAST, SAST, and IAST, and dives into the challenges of scaling DAST at Microsoft’s enterprise level, detailing how automation eliminates manual configuration and improves efficiency for web service testing.

Ep 45 | 1.22.25

Refactoring the Windows Kernel with Joe Bialek

In this episode of The BlueHat Podcast, hosts Nic Fillingham and Wendy Zenone are joined by BlueHat 2024 presenter Joe Bialek, a security engineer at Microsoft with over 13 years of experience. Joe shares his fascinating journey from intern to red team pioneer, recounting how he helped establish the Office 365 Red Team and pushed the boundaries of ethical hacking within Microsoft. He discusses his formative years building sneaky hacking tools, navigating the controversial beginnings of red teaming, and transitioning to the Windows Security Team to focus on low-level security and mitigations. Joe reflects on the challenges of internal hacking, the human reactions to being "hacked," and the value of strengthening defenses before external threats arise.

Ep 44 | 1.8.25

Defending Against NTLM Relay Attacks with Rohit Mothe and George Hughey

In this episode of The BlueHat Podcast, hosts Nic Fillingham and Wendy Zenone welcome back George Hughey and Rohit Mothe from the Microsoft Security Response Center (MSRC) to discuss their latest blog post on mitigating NTLM relay attacks by default. George and Rohit explain their roles in vulnerability hunting and delve into NTLM, a 40-year-old authentication protocol, outlining its vulnerabilities and the risks of relay attacks, which function as a type of man-in-the-middle exploit. They highlight Microsoft's move to a "secure by default" approach, ensuring mitigations like channel binding are enabled automatically, providing stronger protections across services like Exchange, Active Directory Certificate Services (ADCS), and LDAP.

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Ep 43 | 12.11.24

Johann Rehberger on Researching AI & LLM Attacks

In this episode of The BlueHat Podcast, hosts Nic Fillingham and Wendy Zenone are joined by Johann Rehberger, security expert and Red Team director at Electronic Arts. Johann shares his career journey through roles at Microsoft, Uber, and EA, highlighting his expertise in red teaming and cybersecurity. Johann shares the inspiration behind his book on Red Team strategies and discusses his BlueHat 2024 talk on prompt injection vulnerabilities, a critical and evolving AI security challenge. Johann breaks down the distinction between prompt injection and jailbreaking, offering insights into the potential risks, including data exfiltration and system unavailability, and emphasizes the importance of securing Red Teams themselves.

Ep 42 | 11.27.24

BlueHat 2024 Day 2 Keynote: Amanda Silver, CVP Microsoft Developer Division

In this episode of The BlueHat Podcast, hosts Nic Fillingham and Wendy Zenone present an insightful address by Corporate Vice President and Head of Product for Microsoft's Developer Division, Amanda Silver. Amanda discusses the importance of securing the software supply chain and Microsoft's efforts to protect the open-source ecosystem. She introduces the Secure Software Supply Chain Consumption Framework (S2C2F), a model for tracking and defending against vulnerabilities in open-source dependencies. Silver highlights tools like Dependabot and improvements in NuGet to help developers address security issues seamlessly. She also shares a case study on the "XZ" supply chain attack, underscoring the need for a security mindset in tech culture. Silver closes by urging listeners to adopt a proactive approach to cybersecurity, emphasizing that attacks are inevitable.

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The BlueHat Podcast
Host(s)
Nic Fillingham
Wendy Zenone
Nic Fillingham is a Senior Program Manager at Microsoft in the MSRC organization leading the BlueHat program. Originally from Australia, Nic has worked at Microsoft for almost 20 years across multiple continents, brands, and products. Nic created and co-hosted the Security Unlocked podcast and is passionate about promoting the work of security researchers and responders across the industry.
Wendy Zenone is a Senior Program Manager at Microsoft in the MSRC organization leading the STRIKE program. Wendy started her career through an all-women engineering boot camp after quitting her job while still having kids at home. She has worked at top tech companies like Facebook, Netflix, Salesforce, and now at Microsoft, focusing on various areas such as application security, bug bounty, corporate security, third-party risk management, privacy, and security training and awareness.
Schedule: Biweekly
Credits: Executive Producer is Bruce Bracken, Producer is Rob Petrillo. Production Manager is Max Solomon, and our Audio Engineer (and magician) is none other than The Great Rich Cerbini.
Creator: Microsoft
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