In today's podcast, we hear about how Operation Cloudhopper gets to its espionage targets via their cloud and managed service providers. Details are out on the Android version of the Pegasus spyware. Microsoft will upgrade Office security. Notes on the annual SeaAirSpace expo, including an excursus on cyber Marines. Cisco’s Chief Privacy Officer Michelle Dennedy joins us from the Women in Cybersecurity Conference. Dale Drew from Level 3 describes the security ecosystem disruption. And what is going on in Bedford County, Pennsylvania, a place where the laws of physics may not apply?