SpyCast 2.7.23
Ep 573 | 2.7.23

"How Artificial Intelligence is Changing the Spy Game" – with Mike Susong

Show Notes


Mike Susong (Website, LinkedIn) joins Andrew (TwitterLinkedIn) to discuss the impact and potential of AI on the intelligence field. Mike is a former CIA case officer who now oversees global intelligence for a risk management company.

What You’ll Learn


  • What AI is and why it matters
  • How the Intelligence Community is using AI 
  • The pros and cons of AI for case officers in the field
  • Ukraine - intersections between AI and OSINT
  • AI in Alan Turing’s Imitation Game


  • Replicants, machines and robots
  • Will humans become obsolete?

And much, much more …

Episode Notes

When the AI Robot “Watson” beat Ken Jennings in a three-day ‘Jeopardy!’ competition, Jennings famously responded, “I, for one, welcome our new computer overlords.” This week on SpyCast, we explore how, intelligence is embracing AI – or “these computer overlords.” What is it, how is AI being used, and how could the Intelligence Community better employ it to enhance national security?

Mike Susong, an expert in the growing field of artificial intelligence, joins Andrew to discuss these questions and more. Informed by his years of experience within the Intelligence Community as a case officer and now in the private sector, Mike illuminates where AI came from, and where it can go in the future. Utilizing examples from the war in Ukraine, you’ll be amazed at the capabilities of artificial intelligence combined with the other -”INTs (especially OSINT).” This is an episode you won’t want to miss. 


Andrew teamed up with ChatGPT (let’s be honest, ChatGPT did most of the work) to write a Shakespearean sonnet - about espionage Read that sonnet here!

Quotes of the Week

“My concern is, and it pains me a bit, is that the intelligence community -- which I love dearly and am proud of everything I did and proud of everyone who continues to serve -- is it will take a lot of bureaucratic bravery and it will take a fundamental change, I think, in the way AI is applied to make it a revolution.” – Mike Susong.


  • AGI: Artificial General Intelligence. The unrestricted ability of software to learn, understand, & respond to any intellectual task that a human being is capable of. 
  • ANI: Artificial Narrow Intelligence. The restricted ability of software to perform a limited subset of intellectual tasks. 
  • Deep Learning: a machine learning technique that teaches computers to learn by example, something that comes naturally for human beings.
  • Machine Learning: The field of study interested in building computational systems that can improve their own performance of some task.
  • Natural Language Processing: A field of study that aims to analyze and understand human language communications both spoken and textual. 
  • Uncanny Divide: Where people feel a sense of unease or revulsion in response to humanoid robots that are highly realistic.



Andrew’s Recommendation

*Beginner Resources*




  • The Age of AI: And Our Human Future, Kissinger et.al., (LB&C, 2021)
  • AI: A Modern Approach, Peter Norvig & Stuart Rissell (Pearson, 2020)
  • The Master Algorithm, Pedro Domingos (Basic Books, 2018)
  • Alan Turing Decoded, Dermot Turing (History Press, 2022)
  • Superintelligence: Paths Dangers, Strategies, Nick Bostrom (OUP, 2014)





Primary Sources 

*Wildcard Resource*

  • During the episode, Mike suggested inputting “Mickey Mouse ascending the Himalayas in the Impressionist style” into the AI art program DALL-E – Here are the results!