SpyCast 5.2.23
Ep 585 | 5.2.23

Ukraine & the Alliance with NATO’s Assistant Secretary General for Intelligence David Cattler

Show Notes


David Cattler (Twitter; LinkedIn) joins Andrew (TwitterLinkedIn) to discuss NATO’s intelligence response to the ongoing war in Ukraine. David currently serves as NATO’s Assistant Secretary General for Intelligence and Security. 

What You’ll Learn


  • Intelligence & NATO
  • NATO’s response to the war in Ukraine
  • How NATO is adapting to evolving technologies
  • NATO’s purpose and mission


  • Support and trust between nations 
  • Global collaboration

And much, much more …

Episode Notes

Last February, SpyCast brought you an episode featuring David Cattler, focused on his role as NATO’s Assistant Secretary General for Intelligence and Security. Only a few weeks after that episode was published, Russia invaded the Ukraine on February 24th, 2022, catalyzing the first war on European soil since World War II. Only three weeks ago, NATO gained their newest member of the alliance, Finland, with the hopes of ratifying Sweden’s membership soon.

 This week, we bring David back on to discuss how his position has evolved and changed alongside the war in Ukraine, and how NATO is responding to the ongoing crisis. What impact does the inclusion of Finland (and hopefully Sweden) make on the European continent? Tune in to find out more. 


With Finland’s recent membership, NATO is currently comprised of 31 independent nations. Out of these 30, only one member state doesn’t have a standing army – Can you guess which? Hint: It’s Iceland! 

Quotes of the Week

"It's not just about Ukraine. It really is about what kind of world we all want to live in. There are rules and the rules really do establish that nations of people have rights to be free. To make decisions for themselves, to be sovereign, to be safe within their own borders. To be free from harm and certainly free from being threatened in the way that we've seen here." – David Cattler.




*Beginner Resources*



  • Enduring Alliance, T. A. Sayle (Cornell University Press, 2019)
  • How NATO Adapts, S. A. Johnston (Johns Hopkins University Press, 2017)
  • The Gates of Europe: A History of Ukraine, S. Plokhy (Basic Books, 2017)
  • Defense of the West, S. Sloan (Manchester University Press, 2016)



Primary Sources 

*Wildcard Resource*