SpyCast 12.12.23
Ep 615 | 12.12.23

“My Life in American Intelligence” – with Barry Zulauf

Show Notes


Barry Zulauf (Twitter; LinkedIn) joins Andrew (TwitterLinkedIn) to discuss his extensive experience working across the American intelligence community. Barry is the President of the International Association for Intelligence Education. 

What You’ll Learn


  • What is the “Intelligence Community?”
  • The organizational structure of American intelligence
  • The establishment of the ODNI
  • The intelligence components of the DEA 


  • A life of service
  • Passion to serve the people 

And much, much more …

Episode Notes

This week on SpyCast, Andrew was joined by Barry Zulauf, an intelligence expert with more than 30 years' experience in the field. Barry’s previous roles include time at the Office of Naval Intelligence, the Joint Intelligence Center, the Drug Enforcement Administration, Office of the Director of National Intelligence, and the International Association for Intelligence Education. He has taught courses in intelligence and/or conducted research at Harvard University, James Madison University, Georgetown University, Mercyhurst University, and Michigan State University.

Currently, Barry is a Defense Intelligence Officer leading the fight against the opioid epidemic in the United States. Well, you can see why we were so thrilled to have him on SpyCast to discuss his life experiences in the intelligence field. Tune in to learn more and get a crash course on the history of the American intelligence community.


Barry is a graduate of Wittenberg University in Springfield, Ohio. Wittenberg University was named after the University of Wittenberg in Germany, a college founded in 1502. 15 years after the founding in 1517, university graduate Martin Luther would post his Nintey-Five Theses on the church door in Wittenberg, changing the course of religious and cultural history in Western Europe. And, fun fact, Erin is a direct descendant of Martin Luther! 

Quotes of the Week

“[Fentanyl] is an enormous, enormous problem and no single organization, even as big as the Defense Intelligence enterprise, can deal with it alone. So, it's going to be a lot of diplomacy and a lot of building bridges, convincing people to do the right thing.”  – Barry Zulauf.




*Beginner Resources*



  • Sies, Lies, and Algorithms: The History and Future of American Intelligence, A. B. Zegart (Princeton University Press, 2022)
  • El Chapo: The Untold Story of the World's Most Infamous Drug Lord, N. Hurowitz (Atria Books, 2021)
  • The Secret World: A History of Intelligence, C. Andrew (Yale University Press, 2019)



Primary Sources 

*Wildcard Resource*

  • Barry mentioned early in the episode that he actually rowed into town the morning we recorded this episode – Barry shares this hobby with Teddy Roosevelt, an avid rower and the president that was instrumental in the creation of the FBI.
  • Check out this Letter from Charles J. Bonaparte to Theodore Roosevelt that catapulted the FBI into existence.